Firestone Pondgard 45 Mil EPDM Pond Liner
Sizes Are In Feet
Select your desired dimensions from the variations drop-down
NOTE #1 – Due to excessive shipping costs of this extremely heavy material we do not ship to AK, HI, PR, WA, OR, ID, MT, or CA. Customers who accidentally purchase from those states will have their money refunded.
NOTE #2 – We do not accept returns of pond liner through eBay automated system.
Each liner order is custom cut from master rolls. Any return of pond liner would
need to be approved on a case by case basis with customer understanding they
will be liable for the return shipping as well as the outgoing cost of shipping
to them.
NOTE #3 – Sizes over 500 square foot (150 lbs) ship by Freight only and are available at eBay Listing # 383085395282
Fish friendly –
Pondgard is based on EPDM synthetic rubber, a highly flexible stable material that’s not only long lasting and easy to work with, but safe for fish and plant life.
Highly flexible –
stays flexible in a variety of temperatures- from -40 degrees F to 175 degrees F- enabling it to be installed year round. And unlike some other liner materials, Pondgard contains no plasticizers which can embrittle with age and cause cracks or splits in the material threatening fish and animal life.
Design versatility –
can easily be shaped to fit the unique contours of your pond giving you much more design creativity. Multiple membrane panels can be quickly and securely seamed to accommodate larger pond lining applications and unique design elements such as waterfalls.
Weather resistant –
shows outstanding resistance to the harmful effects of ultraviolet radiation (UV), ozone, and other environmental conditions- important characteristics especially along the water line of the pond where the liner can be exposed.
Extreme durability and high elongation –
Pondguard EPDM has a characteristic that enables it to conform to objects in the subgrade. Pondgard will stretch over exposed rocks and tree roots.
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Graystone Industries is a Georgia corporation and state law requires we collect sales tax on all orders originating or shipped to Georgia.
Your item will be shipped within 2 business days from receipt of payment. PLEASE PAY FOR YOUR ITEM WITHIN 5 DAYS OF AUCTION. Thank you for your interest and we look forward to assisting you further. John Olson-Graystone Creations
Learn more about PondLiner below
1. What does EPDM mean and why should I care?
EPDM
is an abbreviation for Ethylene Propylene Diene Monomer. If you are a
chemist you are probably thinking “WOW! I wish I would have thought of
that”. For the rest of us it simply means this is some really high
quality liner that is meant to last for years. In fact, testing by
Firestone has shown this liner to degrade only ½ mil per year when
exposed to direct sunlight. This means that on average a 45 mil liner
will still be around nearly 90 years from now! Firestone pond liner has a
limited lifetime warranty.
2. What is 45 mil liner?
45
mil stands for the thickness of the liner material. It is 45/1000 of
an inch thick. That may not sound like a lot but this super sturdy
liner is the choice of professional pond installers and consumers all
over the world. To give you an idea of the outstanding strength of this
liner consider that 3.2 square foot of 45 mil liner will weigh 1 full
pound.
3. Why is FIRESTONE Pondgard EPDM liner better than a cheap PVC liner?
Excellent
question and one that is not asked enough! Lets talk about PVC liner
first. PVC liner is super cheap and really easy to work with since it
is so thin. PVC liner is lightweight compared to heavy duty Firestone
EPDM and often costs much less to ship. Sounds good right? Now the
downside. Liners containing PVC are made with plasticizers to keep them
flexible. Over time, or when exposed to the sun these plasticizers
leach out of the liner leaving it brittle. In as little as one year a
pvc liner can be brittle enough to split open under the weight of your
pond water and one day you look out to find an empty pond. It is
possible to cover the PVC liner with enough rocks and dirt to prevent
the sun from reaching it and this will give you a few more years of
use.
The
question you should be asking yourself is whether you wish to make the
cheapest pond possible or whether you wish to build a pond that will
last and be enjoyed for years to come. Building your pond with the
cheapest liner possible is like building a house with foundations made
of sand. It may look nice for a while but in the end you will come to
deeply regret spending the few extra dollars to do the job right.
4. What does “FISH SAFE LINER” mean?
Firestone
Pondgard 45 mil EPDM liner is manufactured to be fish safe. That means
that the ingredients used in making the liner are perfectly safe for
your fish. The same ingredients are used with EACH AND EVERY batch of
Firestone liner produced. In the history of Firestone brand pond liner
no fish has EVER been determined to have died from exposure to Pondgard
liner.
Imported
liners SOMETIMES use ingredients that are fish safe, and SOMETIMES
they do not. Apparently the market price of these ingredients changes
quite a bit. Firestone simply commits to using the safest ingredients
for making its Pondgard liner while many imported pond liner
manufacturers will use the least expensive ingredients available at the
time of the production run. Sometimes you get the good stuff,
sometimes you don’t. It is your choice which pond liner you choose but
if you stock your pond with a few hundred dollars worth of fancy
goldfish or a few thousand dollars of imported Koi I think you will
agree bargain imported pond liner may not be such a bargain after all.
5. CAN I USE ROOFING Liner for my pond? / What is a toxic pond of death?
Sure you can…
…as
long as you don’t mind dead fish! Roofing liner is very similar to
Pondgard pond liner. Unfortunately, just like some imported pond liners
roofing material is made of ingredients based upon current market
prices. Sometimes it is made with ingredients the same as “fish safe
liner” sometimes it is not. If you get a batch of material that is not
made with “fish safe ingredients” you could end up with a toxic pond of
death. Roofing material is often made with harsh ingredients such as
arsenic that can sicken or kill your fish. If you install unsafe liner
material in your pond you will soon see the fish moving around very
lethargic and they will have a loss of apatite. At that point your fish
will die and there is nothing that can be done about it.
But
wait a minute, you may have tested water running off your roof and
have found it to be chemical free. Does that mean the material is safe
for your pond? Not at all. When testing roof runoff you are testing
water that has quickly passed over the roofing material and not had a
very long contact time. Water in a pond is in constant contact with the
lining material and this constant contact will show a much higher
concentration of hazardous chemicals. Avoid the chance of turning your
backyard oasis into a “TOXIC POND OF DEATH” and use Firestone certified
fish safe Pondgard 45 mil EPDM liner.
6. WHY DO I NEED UNDERLAYMENT? / Can I use newspaper or old carpet instead?
To
answer those questions we need to know what exactly underlayment is
and what it does. A proper underlayment is considered a “non woven
Geotextile” That is a fancy term for saying it is a really tough
material that is lightweight and easy to work with.
Underlayment
has only one job and that is to protect your pond liner. 45 mil Pond
liner is very strong and puncture resistant but it does have its
limits. Using a 7oz thickness of underlayment can improve the PUNTURE
RESISTANCE of your pond liner by 400%. Strangely, using a thicker
underlayment will not significantly increase the protection to the
liner but using a thinner one will greatly reduce your protection.
“I
want to use newspapers for an underlayment.” Great, go right ahead.
Just make sure you test the thickness that you need by stacking enough
WET newspapers over a sharp rock that it does not poke thru when you
put 20,000 lbs on top of it! The average 2 foot deep pond that is 11×16
foot will have enough water in it to exceed 10 TONS. That’s over
20,000 pounds of water in your pond. If you use newspapers as your
underlayment you better stack them about 1 foot thick. That’s a lot of
Sunday papers folks!
“I
want to use sand for an underlayment” SEE ABOVE. Unless you OWN the
beach you are getting the sand from it is a BAD and expensive idea to
try and put enough sand down to protect your pond liner from rocks
hidden under the surface. These rocks will emerge over time as the HUGE
weight of your pond presses down on it.
“I
want to use old carpet for an underlayment” Got allergies? No, well
you soon will have. Yes, then stay away from your pond all together as
it will soon make you sick. Look folks, saving money is my favorite
past time but doing so at the risk of my health has never been high on
my list. Carpets are NASTY, DIRTY, BACTERIA FILLED MOLD ATTRACTORS! And
that’s when they are dry in your home. Now take this same filthy used
rag and put it under your pond liner where it will sit wet and moldy
for the next 10-20 years. In this case your fish will be fine but as
far as the people around the pond, their health is in your hands.
Save
money when it makes sense and spend money to ensure your family and
friends enjoy your new pond without the need for allergy shots!
7. How much liner do I need?
Liner
calculations are not as hard as they seem. There are lots of handy
formulas around to help you determine the exact amount you need but
with most ponds a the following guide should be most useful.
1.
Take the max length of your pond and write it down. “lets say 9 foot”
2.
Take the max depth (not the average depth) and double that. “2 foot deep would be 4 foot” If the liner goes down
into the pond it must come back up! That is why you double the depth.
3.
Add 2 foot to the total (one foot overhand on each end to anchor the liner )
This gives you a required length of liner as 9+4+2=15
Use
the same calculations for the width. Example: 7 foot wide (use the
same depth) would give you a required width of 7+4+2=13
YOUR
REQUIRED SIZE would then be 15×14. As Firestone Pondgard liners are
sold in 5 foot increments you would purchase a liner that was 15×15
Special Liner sizing Notes:
1.
When attaching a waterfall filter that will be elevated above the pond, you will need additional liner. If you have a 4
foot tall waterfall then you will need an additional 4 foot of liner on that side.
2.
When constructing a larger pond, you may need to use additional liner on each side to anchor the pond. For large
ponds consider using 2 foot of liner on each side and for extremely large pond you should call for assistance.
8. What sizes does Firestone Pondgard liner come in?
Great
question! Firestone Pond liner comes in lengths up to 200 foot in the
following widths: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, and 50 foot. This
means the smallest size you could buy is a 5×5 and the largest size
available is a 50×200. The 5 foot liner is only available in up to 100
foot rolls.
9. Do you have other Firestone Accessories for sale?
Yes
we do. From seaming tape, to pipe boots, repair kits and primer,
Graystone Creations has a full line of the products you need to install
and maintain your pond liner.
10. Is there a warranty on Firestone Pondgard liner?
Yes
there is. Firestone stands behind their product for a lifetime
warranty. To obtain the limited lifetime warranty the liner must be
installed to Firestone specifications which include the use of a
protective Geotextile underlayment. At Graystone Creations we have
learned a great deal about Firestone quality control in pond liner
production. Each roll of liner is run through a laser that measures
irregularities in material and seaming. Nothing gets out of the factory
in less than premium condition. While obtaining certification to
install Firestone brand Pond liner Graystone Creations has had the
opportunity to learn about Firestone warranties and procedures. It was
brought to our attention that only one section of Firestone liner has
ever proven to be defective and that was on a seam where two rolls
joined.
If
you feel at any time your properly installed Firestone Pondgard liner
is defective Firestone will ask you to immediately send the
questionable section to them. They will fully inspect the material
right down to the microscopic level. They will work with you to
determine how the liner was installed, if underlayment was used, if
roots pushed through into the pond or if the liner was cut or punctured
by any foreign object and much more. It is Firestones greatest pride
to manufacturer a superior pond liner and every effort will be taken by
teams of scientists to determine what caused the failure and how to
prevent similar failures by proper installation.
11. How can I tell I am really getting Firestone Pondgard liner?
Great
question. Most rolls of Firestone liner leave the factory with
periodic Firestone Pondgard fish logos on them. It is possible to
receive a small enough section of liner that you may miss one of the
marks but if you ever have any doubt just ask.
NOTE:
Over the last couple years I have occasionally seen rolls arrive from the factory without the Firestone logo on
them but that is pretty uncommon
.
12. My liner has footprints on it. What happened?
We
walked on it! The size of the liner ordered will depend upon which
roll we cut your order from. Very large liner sizes require both
unrolling of the liner in our warehouse and the cutting and refolding
of the liner so we can ship it. Sometimes it takes several workers to
fold and roll large sections of this very heavy liner and it gets
stepped on. Yes the size 13 print is my own!
13. There are some dried silver looking specs on part of my liner. Is that paint?
Nope!
Occasionally the curing / drying process will leave some silver
colored spots on the liner. This discoloration is minor and in no way
effects the use or quality of the Firestone liner.
14. Why is Firestone Pond liner so expensive to ship?
Firestone
45 mil EPDM Pondgard Pond liner weighs about .30 pounds per square
foot. This means a 20×25 foot (500 square foot) liner will weigh 150
lbs. There is no cheap way to ship this liner. Liners over 150 lbs ship
by freight and require a signature upon delivery. Freight orders will
require 2 or more people to unload and transport the liner to its
location. VERY large liners may require as many as 8-10 people to move
into position in your pond.
Graystone
Industries ships most pond liner from a warehouse in Franklin NC. Walk
in customers are welcome Tuesday thru Friday. Pond liner orders to the
west coast generally take 5-6 business days to arrive.
15. This liner is so expensive, why?
You
have got to be joking! I don’t know of a single other product in the
USA that has fallen so much in price while costs have soared so much.
16 years ago it was typical for pond liner to be sold in retail stores
for $1.25 to $2.00 a square foot. Back then a pond liner distributor
could obtain pond liner for about 25 cents a square foot. FLASH FORWARD
TO 2014: Prices of oil and transportation have soared making even the
largest liner distributors paying about 50-55 cents a square foot. With
shipping costs that often exceed 20 cents a square foot depending upon
distance and location there is very little money to be made selling
pond liner at any price yet thanks to fierce competition online prices
are below $1.00 per square foot with shipping included.
Pond
liner is heavy, difficult to cut and package, and very expensive to
ship. Companies offer pond liner to customers at very close to their
costs in hopes they will consider the purchase of the other needed pond
supplies. No one makes money just selling pond liner. Please consider
Graystone for your other supplies and allow us to create a complete
pond package with components that work well together and is crafted for
your specific pond needs.
16. Why should we purchase liner or other pond items from Graystone Creations?
Firestone Pond Liner Installation Certificate
My
name is John Olson and I am the CEO of Graystone Industries. I have
devoted myself to assisting consumers in the Garden and Pond Industry.
To keep on top of trends and breakthroughs in the pond world I travel
the country studying and teaching at industry events. In the last 18
months I have traveled to FIRESTONE CERTIFICATION CLASSES in Redlands
CA, Tulsa OK, Oklahoma City OK and Savannah GA. I am a certified
installer of both residential and commercial Firestone liner projects.
Additionally,
6 other members of the Graystone Industries organization have
completed courses and obtained their own Firestone Certification. I
honestly believe that no other on line vendor in the United States has
had more hours of training and certification than the members of
Graystone Industries. What that means for you, the consumer, is that
you will receive the very best service, accurate quotes, intelligent
answers to questions, and guidance towards the purchase of products
that will best meet your needs.
At Graystone Creations we believe a well informed customer is not a threat to a successful business but its very foundation.
Written by: John Olson Owner & CEO of GraystoneCreations.com and Google+ Author